CAGED vs. Three Note Per String
Like most guitarists, the first way I learned to map out the fretboard was with the CAGED system. It uses five positions corresponding to each of the open major chords and is particularly well suited for playing pentatonic scales.
A few years ago, I abandoned the CAGED system in favor of the three note per string system. I arrived at the new system on my own, writing out fingerings for all sorts of scales and arpeggios. (I used to spend my college class time scribbling diagrams in my notes, then practice them later in my dorm room.) The system made so much sense that I knew it must have been in wide use even though I had never heard of it. Sure enough, a little Internet searching revealed that many others had been using it for ages.
The three note per string system uses seven different positions. The easiest way to map them out is with a major scale, starting on each of the seven notes. Just use three notes per string, and that's it. When you use a different scale, any notes altered from the major scale stay on the same string, shifting by the appropriate number of frets. Arpeggios are played just as they fit into the scale positions.
I see three advantages to using the three note per string system. The first is in scale sequences. Whether you're playing straight up and down the scale or jumping by thirds, all scale sequences in all positions will have the same picking pattern with slightly different fingerings.
The second advantage is in memorizing the positions. I found this surprisingly easy because each scale degree will always be in roughly the same spot, no matter what scale you use. For example, if a string has degrees 5, 6, and b7 for a Mixolydian scale, that same string will have degrees 5, b6, 7 for harmonic minor in the same position. I often refer to the positions by the strings where the roots fall (246, 135, 24, 136, 25, 146, 35) and build whatever I'm trying to play around that.
The third advantage I see is in the overlap of the positions. Any note on a specific string and fret, unless it's near the limits of the fretboard, will appear in three positions. The top two notes on each string in any position are shared with the position above, and the bottom two with the position below. This makes sliding between positions much easier.
A few months ago, I decided to switch back to the CAGED system. The three note per string system has its disadvantages too. Many fingerings require extra stretching. I had to stop playing more than once due to the beginnings of tendinitis. Also, pentatonic scales make perfect sense in the CAGED system and no sense in the three note per string system.
Since I've been using CAGED again, most exercises, especially arpeggios, have become much easier with less stretching. Until last week, I thought I had corrected my foolishness of neglecting the ease of one system for the logic of another. Then it hit me that I shouldn't be neglecting anything. Why stick to one system when I can use both?
Most experienced guitarists will tell you to learn both systems (see this lengthy discussion at Harmony Central), and I obviously did, but I thought I needed to pick one that best suited my playing. In a decision I should have made years ago, I'm now integrating both systems into my playing and my visualization of the fretboard. There will be even more overlap between twelve positions, and I can draw from a larger pool to find the best position for whatever I'm playing.
On top of this, I want to spend more time learning scales and arpeggios on single strings. This third perspective should help solidify my familiarity with the fretboard. And since I love sliding around, it should help with that again too.
Mark Wein (9 Aug 2008 at 7:30am)
I've always taught both systems (as well as the "Unitar" or "learn it all on one string at a time" idea...I think Mick Goodrick was one of the first folks to teach that) with an eye towards having the student have no "systems" in the future. I've always felt that at a certain point your theory should exist all over the fretboard with no physical boundaries....its almost like you learn these systems as a way to more easily package the sounds while you are learning but as time goes by they should "dissolve" into one large fretboard pattern that you are more intimately familiar with....
Just my .02 :-)
Mark Wein (9 Aug 2008 at 7:30am)
On another note, I really enjoy your blog...its the only one I subscribe to and its always got me thinking....
Dan Blanzy (12 Aug 2008 at 8:19am)
I find both "systems" to be very useful. I wouldn't abandon one for the other, but I agree the 3 NPS scale patterns have the advantage of consistency.
KnotTubeRight (26 Jan 2009 at 11:26pm)
I had an injury to the extensor tendon for the ring finger of my left hand, and I was unable to optimize the CAGED system.
I used the 3NPS system to rehabilitate my hand.
It not helped with rehab from a severed tendon but it made me a better player.
I did not know that it was a "system", I just discovered it.
Necessity is the Mother of Invention.
jdean (12 Apr 2009 at 1:34pm)
hm... personally i never had a set number of notes pr string or anything like that... i feel that when my ears + fretboard knowledge is with me to a certain point, i can play anything using whatever fingering i choose in real time.. i mean most of the time when i'm improvising melodies i'm not playing a lot of scale tones in succession anyway, i'm juggling the notes around... And in the cases where i want to climb up a scale, i just do what's most comfortable for my left hand at that particular moment. I practice playing up and down in all sorts of variations, and whenever i make a mistake i try to stop and figure out why i made that mistake, it's usually some interval thing.
3 notes pr string is great for economy picking though so i try to practice being able to do that, just so i can do it when i'm after the speed and\or the particular sound that non-legato picking styles produce. so it's actually mainly about practicing visualizing 2 adjacent positions as one
on, a side note, i find that visualizing some big underlying chord shapes is usually much easier than some full scale diagram... and most of the time knowing that chord shape is enough for me to hit the right notes.. i don't really know where all the notes of most of the 7 note scales are, but when i know where my important notes are (root notes mainly and then the chord tones) then my hand kindof knows where it is and i'm able to fill in all the notes in between just by ear.. usually.. and minor pentatonics are also pretty easy because they have 5 notes in them.. they look very similar to minor or minor7 chords.. for me dorian\phrygian\aeolian it's the same basic minor pentatonic really and then i just know where to fill in the extra two notes in between the gaps in the pentatonic, to produce the full 7 note scales..
or, the more time i spend practicing chords, the easier i find it becomes to remember those full scale patterns because they kind of go on top of the chord shapes. which again obviously makes it easier to be able to play 3 nps or 4 nps or whatever. actually right now i'm mostly practicing chords instead of scales, and i find that that actually increases my fretboard knowledge more than anything else
any thoughts ?
freddy1955 (1 Jul 2009 at 12:43pm)
I have always used the caged system, and I wish I was more comfortable moving up or down the neck within one lick. I think I will take time to follow up on the 3 NPS scale patterns.
Joe (1 Jul 2009 at 5:26pm)
Hi Freddy, thanks for dropping by. Since writing this, I haven't spent much time on 3NPS patterns, sticking primarily with CAGED. I made up a huge exercise that I now use regularly to help me traverse between CAGED positions.
I use 3NPS concepts on occasion, if I need an economy picking run or something, but all my fretboard visualization is based on CAGED. Most of the notes in CAGED positions fall to three notes per string anyway. There are just a few places where I'd have to stretch my hand to get the extra notes for economy picking, but I view it as playing between two CAGED systems.
Aaron (14 Jul 2011 at 10:52am)
You mention "Many fingerings require extra stretching. I had to stop playing more than once due to the beginnings of tendinitis."
I notice this if I use the 1st 3rd and pinky when doing whole/whole steps. But I have found it way better (for avoiding injuries) to use the 1st 2nd and pinky and "shift" when moving though the shapes instead of stretching the fingers. What fingers are you using?
Aaron (14 Jul 2011 at 10:53am)
lots of shifting with mixo but :)
gil (26 Jun 2016 at 8:00pm)
Mark Wein, toward that goal of having "no systems" or letting it all dissolve I offer this idea.
I have begun to think of the 7 diatonic modes as one. For example. Instead of referring to G Ionian, A Dorian, B Phrygian, etc., I like to think of it as "One sharp." That one sharp being "F#." The idea requires that you know the fret board note locations very well so it may not appeal to beginners. In practice of this "mode" of thinking, I am playing all the natural notes making sure to play an F# instead of F natural.
Logically the key of D is "Two sharps," the key of A is "Three sharps," and so on. Do the same thing with the flats. (The key of F is "one flat." Practice this system by following the circle of 5ths. Practice the Key of C or "natural" followed by "one sharp" then "two sharps" then "3 sharps" etc. Purposeful meandering around the fret board in each key will have you seeing all the notes you need for each key.